In De-sizing the Church, pastor Karl Vaters takes us on a multi-faceted journey through our centuries-long obsession with size, both in and outside the church, and how it has negatively affected those who serve and worship in big and small congregations alike. He also dispels some prevailing myths and affirms what was good and true about the Church Growth Movement. And he invites us to consider how removing church size from the equation can be an essential element in rebuilding trust, restoring relationships, and renewing our spiritual lives.

David Ludwig, BRN associate director of church health and discipleship, interviews author and speaker Karl Vaters about the significance of small churches to God's kingdom. "If we treat small churches like a problem, we're going to have one approach, but if we look at small churches and think maybe it's a part of God's strategy, we will have a completely different approach and a completely different mindset," said Vaters, who led several seminars in Pennsylvania this month.